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Post by TwReno on Oct 27, 2011 1:22:28 GMT -5
Thats the problem I see, no one shows up. Split a class you already dont have in half and it will be in the toilet.
The thing is SPEC sprints are wingless and NV is the only place that runs wings. Our motors dont put out enough power to run wings and it makes the class something its not, if you want to run wings go to a 360.
There are a bunch of wingless cars in NN but it seems every year there is a debate over the wing thing and every year the wings stay. I guess it seems hard to get wingless guys to show up to a meting an preach the same thing over and over.
How many winged guys run wings just so they have the same down force but not because they want to run wings?
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Post by bigmo on Oct 27, 2011 12:28:17 GMT -5
TW, I know you are new this year to this discussion but NN Sprints IS a winged class and always has been It started that way. Arron is correct when he says that. The non wingers asked us if they could run and have always expressed that they would eventually leave to go race with the rest of the non wingers. We agreed and it was a good place for them to learn their trade and it helped our car count. Both kinds were helped. Then the pressure started mounting and that old discussion of wing or non wing became the main arguement. Northern Neveada's main experience has always been with the winged sprints. AND yes we do have some experience with them. In the early 70's (yes some of us are still alive) the Cali sprints came out to lovelock every year an had a hella good time!! Was big show for Nev. and eventually Lovelock was hosting the Northern Nevada Dirt Track Championships. They grew to 2 separate weekends and held championship racing for 4 classes. 2 classes each weekend. We would have over 120 cars each weekend and that was BIG for that time. Paid $1500 to win, paid everyone in the main and the B main and in the 70s that was good money! So we do have some experience and at least out Eastern Nev. that's where the love of "Wingers" came from. Enough history! We have always been a 360 class. We do exactly what N. Cali is doing and have not been teching for the same reasons. We met at a meeting and gave a 1 year grandfather to motors so we could get started. Been 2 years now! I agree with Pauls article that not having techable rules "kills" classes. My wife and I own the 3L sprint, Jeff Macedo drives for us and we make every one of the races in NN that both our schedules will allow. Win some and loose some. WE run a real 360 with about 10.5 comp if were lucky. We do pretty well. I want to fix my motor but only want to do it once. We need buildable and techable rules. I am to the point that I don't care what those engine rules are just give me something to build to that everybody builds to. I AM a winger and will always will be. I am the other side of the coin you and Arron are obviously on. I won't be going wingless. Why are the wingers in NN asked to change? I know for a fact that Arrons car was a winger to begin with we ran against it. So Arron is right it can go both ways. I think that speed is a relative thing. That is if you are running side by side with 10 other guys regardless of class you are real busy and the speed is relative. If you are on the track with 3 cars and each has their own section of track you tell your self "gee I should be going faster" because you aren't that busy and spend more time looking around. Cometition makes it feel faster. Engine size is there fore relative. Back East a lot of sprinters run 305 fuel injected "racesaver" engins and some out run the injected 360s. So, this is to long but we love racing our sprint and just what to know what to do! Maury and Carol Nelsen -- 3L Sprint LovelockNev.
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Post by twreno on Oct 27, 2011 17:08:18 GMT -5
I have read alot about the local guys wanting to get the car counts up but I will not race with a winged car in my wingless. The lines are different, it looks funny and its not a good show for the fans.
I understand that the guys with wings like running them, but at the same time those guys need to understand they cant complain about car counts and payouts with a small class that is not growing. My car has wing posts on it but I want to carry my setups and driving style to different tracks and run with the wingless guys. Not to mention the extra expense of wings and space they take up. Im working with a 3 car garage here.
The thing that I dont understand is why do the rules mirror the wingless spec sprint rules?
I think if we made the class wingless, locked down some engine rules to bring the costs back down we would have 10-14 cars easily the first couple races and it would grow from there. Then the wingless guys would have no reason to drive over the hill to race against the same number of cars.
Alot of guys dont want to go over the hill if they can race in their backyard.
I also DONT think fallon and lovelock should both run a points chase for the cars, the classs is not big enough. It needs to be a regional class that runs 8-10 races a year +/- at Fernley, Fallon, Lovelock, Amercian valley ect. Because I can tell you not to many people can do 20+ shows right now in 5 months.
This way we can travel as a group of friends and racers and put on a good show. It will also spread out the races a little more which will up the participation. Kind of like DART did before they upped there event numbers.
We could all put in a little $$$$$ to join the group each year and thats the year end trophies and maybie a little cash, also we can have our own points and end of the year awards/potluck.
The tracks would still need to provide payouts and weekly trophies if they still do that. This would increase our payouts because there is no longer an end of the year payout. I have a good idea for weekly trophies by the way, low budget and cool.
I have no problem coming up with a rough draft set of rules and setting up a proboards type site for us. I think we have a chance to be a model for the spec sprint class on the west coast.
Terry
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Post by bigmo on Oct 27, 2011 17:28:10 GMT -5
TW what you are talking about is exactly what the original post was about, for the wingers. I wasn't ever talking about going wingless. Our rules were set up to keep the start up costs down and were never meant to compete with California shows. Not having the $$$$ or time to travel all over California was the original point for us all. The non wing guys could do the same thing if there is that many of you! I for one am like you and Arron in preference for my class of sprints and will park my winger if I can't race in my own class. I won't be running a non wing car. Now that might sting someone but the guys with wings have never insisted that non wingers change to wings or don't race.
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Post by justthinkin on Oct 27, 2011 23:30:49 GMT -5
Just a thought for you folks in the sprints. Those of us with kids that coming up through the ranks of driving various types of race cars are watching how you people are going to resolve your issues. As it stands right now, it appears as though everyone wants to compromise but none are not willing to budge. As my daughter advances up the ladder and as much as I want her to drive sprint car, we appear to be moving either toward running a sprint in California or trying to kick Shaun's butt in an Imca. I don't have any answers for you and perhaps I am not even entitled to weigh in on this issue, but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that whatever decision (or lack thereof) you make as a group MAY have far reaching consequences. For whatever it is worth; it's fun to watch the winged and non-winged cars race together. What's boring is watching three or four sprint cars race only to witness one or two of them breakdown after just a few laps.
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Post by macedoracing on Oct 28, 2011 6:07:28 GMT -5
Just a thought. Why not find out what schedule the Non-Winged cars will be running " over the hill", both types of sprints get together, meet with the local tracks, put a limited schedule together with both winged and non-winged racing side by side, use a draw/redraw system to give both types of sprints an opportunity to be a front runner, and give the fans what they want.................exciting racing with all cars running the same engine rules that are currently in place. With the 8 to 10 winged cars around this local, and the Non-winged cars that have posted on this subject it looks to me that we could or would have a fairly LARGE attendance of these fast,cool looking cars and I am sure the fans would really appreciate this fast pace racing. JMO Ed Macedo
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Post by macedoracing on Oct 28, 2011 11:15:39 GMT -5
Check out: CAJON SPRINTS!!!
Running 360 WInged sprints, same engine rule as NN sprints with only defined difference being: 4 Barrels in lieu of 2 barrels.
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Post by Retta on Oct 28, 2011 19:34:10 GMT -5
Maury the 17th is fine with us where at and at what time?
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